Re: Announcing CML2, a replacement for the kbuild system

From: Jesse Pollard (
Date: Wed May 24 2000 - 21:26:14 EST

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Brian K. White wrote:
>Ed Carp wrote:
>> Eric S. Raymond ( writes:
>> > You'll like its behavior, then. It wakes up, looks around, says
>> > "Can I do X and do I have Tkinter?". If so, it launches the Tk
>> > interface (in my version; the one I posted doesn't have this code).
>> >
>> > If either DISPLAY is unset or Tkinter isn't importable, it then says
>> > "Can I do screen graphics and do I have curses?" If so, it launches the curses
>> > interface.
>> >
>> > If TERM is unset or the curses import fails, it falls back to glass-tty mode.
>> >
>> > Curses or glass-tty mode can be forced with command-line options.
>> Can it be compiled so that it doesn't even need the X libraries to even run?
>> That would be nice. I don't run X, think it's evil as hell, and love my
>> faster-than-a-bat-out-of-hell curses stuff, and would hate to have to butcher
>> the hell out of this stuff so that it doesn't look for the X libraries at
>> startup...
>Where does he say or even imply it needs any X libraries ?
>If you have no X, then you are not running X. If you are not running X then
>you have no $DISPLAY set. If you are not running X and yet have a $DISPLAY
>set, then you have deliberately or ignorantly subverted such a common
>standard that neither cml nor any of the hundreds of other programs that
>will train-wreck in this environment should be held responsible.

I do configuration over a SSL connection, with X display, but no X server
other than the SSL X. Does that mean I have the X development libraries?
NO. I do have the applications though. I do have the compiler (for building
the kernel mostly), and base libraries. I do not have the X libraries.
Jesse I Pollard, II

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