Re: Announcing CML2, a replacement for the kbuild system

From: Ed Carp (
Date: Wed May 24 2000 - 18:01:10 EST

Eric S. Raymond ( writes:

> Alexander Viro <>:
> > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >
> > > (Ideally, I'd like to turf both Perl and Tk out of the kernel tree
> > > entirely. They're kludges, and they promote kludging. Python plus
> >
> > <shrug> Let's take holy wars somewhere else... No arguments on Tk, but
> > Perl vs. Python has _way_ too nasty potential for growing into BThreadFH.
> I am now stifling myself :-).

Thank you! Methinks Eric ought to redirect his voice to championing the
Open Source movement and exposing the fools over at ZDNet rather than joining
in on more holy wars ;)

> You'll like its behavior, then. It wakes up, looks around, says
> "Can I do X and do I have Tkinter?". If so, it launches the Tk
> interface (in my version; the one I posted doesn't have this code).
> If either DISPLAY is unset or Tkinter isn't importable, it then says
> "Can I do screen graphics and do I have curses?" If so, it launches the curses
> interface.
> If TERM is unset or the curses import fails, it falls back to glass-tty mode.
> Curses or glass-tty mode can be forced with command-line options.

Can it be compiled so that it doesn't even need the X libraries to even run?
That would be nice. I don't run X, think it's evil as hell, and love my
faster-than-a-bat-out-of-hell curses stuff, and would hate to have to butcher
the hell out of this stuff so that it doesn't look for the X libraries at

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