Re: ISDN and the feature freeze (was: no driver change for 2.4?)

Rogier Wolff (
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:56:16 +0200 (MEST)

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The reason I'm bitching is not just because I love biting peoples heads
> off in public, it's because I do not want to see the ISDN incompetence
> continue. I want people to be aware of the problem, and I want somebody to
> stand up and say "I'll do it".
> I can accept large patches initially, but I want to do so in the solid
> knowledge that it's the last time EVER I have to wait for ISDN code until
> the last moment. There's obviously no way we can fix past problems, I just
> do not want them to repeat every single release cycle like they have so
> far.

Part of the problem is that everybody knows that your task must be
overwhelming. So people are trying to offload you.

However somehow, you seem to want it in a way that intuitively people
think would cause you more work in the end. Wanting to offload you,
leads to people doing it the wrong way.

I've sent you one big patch today, one (hopefully) finished driver. I
could've fed you version 1.7 and the following 18 patches. Now I just
sent you version 1.26. I really think that developing a driver this
way without bothering you for every typo is better. (If you really want
the intermediate versions too, tell me. Next one coming up soon....)

> The point of open development is that people see what's going on. You
> don't get that if people see just the end result after a year. You want to
> have random people just see small updates - because they will often catch
> silly mistakes.
> Now, with huge mega-patches, people just go numb. They say "oh, an ISDN
> update", and skip it.

I think that the ISDN "peer-review" is taking place on different
mailing lists than what you (and I) read.

Let me conclude by saying that you're doing a good job, and that I'm
not attacking you. I'm just trying to say that I think I understand
why it is happening like this.


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