Re: [NOT OFFTOPIC] Re: groups

Feuer (feuer@his.com)
Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:23:08 -0400


In theory.....  It would be most convenient to do both.  That way, you use extra
groups if particular users share lots of files or a bunch of files, and you use ACLs
for a particular file or few files that happen to be needed by several people.

Alex Belits wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Feuer wrote:
>
> > Seems to me that user-manageable groups would not eliminate the need for ACLs,
> > but that it does complement them, allowing additional flexibility and ease of
> > use.  ACL=access control list, right?
>
>   In theory user-manageable groups can provide the complete equivalent for
> ACLs, however there will be as many groups as different sets of
> users/permissions in ACL, so even though in real situations reasonably low
> number of them will be kept, there can be situations where ACLs will
> require less resources than a set of groups. Currently there is a rather
> low limit for the total number of groups, user can be in, and it may be
> possible to change that to support ACL-like things in "classic" user/group
> model.
>
> > Another question:  what reads /etc/group?  Is it the kernel or something else?
>
>   getgrent(3),setgrent(3),endgrent(3),getgrnam(3),getgrgid(3), and most
> important, initgroups(3). As you can see, all of them are library
> routines.
>
>   Supporting ACL or changing the maximum number of groups in
> simultaneously used set (and dealing with performance issues, associated
> with both) is related to kernel, however userspace utilities to manage
> ACLs or large groups sets are not.
>
> --
> Alex

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