Re: GGI debate and etc.

Thomas Heide Clausen (
Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:48:53 +0100 (CET)


For the academic sake of argument: What _is_ then qualified to
get into a kernel? To me it seems like Dr. Broadhurst is of the
opinion that a kernel should be minimal and not include device
dependent code. This is interresting, as it is even more minimal
than the "microkernels".

I am neither for nor against GGI (I do not know anything about
it), but I find the discussion about what goes into a kernel and
what does not rather interresting. Most argue, that the
operating system should be some abstraction over the actual
hardware - at least that's what I beleive I have read in A.S.
Tannenbaum's and/or William Stallings nice books about OSes.
Linux does at the moment go along that tradition.

I would find it most interresting if Dr. Broadhurst would
elaborate a little on his thoughts - if being off-topic here,
then private email would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

- --thomas

On 25-Feb-98 Bill Broadhurst wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 12:35:58PM -0800, Gerhard Mack wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Bill Broadhurst wrote:
>> > Not blinded, just indifferent. I don't want GGI in the
>> > kernel
>> > because I don't want to waste space on my system for it's
>> > code.
>> > Not that space is an issue, I have many megabytes free. I
>> > just
>> > object to having to waste any of it just because some bimbo
>> > wants graphics.
>> It seems to me you could make the same argument for most of
>> the stuff
>> Linux supports, I don't use ham or appletalk but I am willing
>> to "waste
>> the space" so some other people can use it. This debate
>> should IMHO be
>> based on the techical merrits of having ggi vs bot having it
>> not on
>> such an outright selfish approach as I have just read.
>> If you don't like it and it's there don't compile it.
> I never do. But this wasn't about something that's already
> there.
> This was about adding something new.
> Besides, the code is in the tree whether it's compiled or not.
> THAT's
> to what I object.
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