Re: [RFC 0/2] srcu: Remove pre-flip memory barrier

[Mathieu Desnoyers]

On 2022-12-20 17:57, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 02:01:30PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > On 2022-12-20 13:29, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > I do want to finish my memory barrier studies of SRCU over the holidays since I have been deep in the hole with that already. Back to the post flip memory barrier here since I think now even that might not be needed…
> >
> > I strongly suspect the memory barrier after flip is useless for the same
> > reasons I mentioned explaining why the barrier before the flip is useless.
> >
> > However, we need to double-check that we have memory barriers at the
> > beginning and end of synchronize_srcu, and between load of "unlock" counters
> > and load of "lock" counters.
> >
> > Where is the barrier at the beginning of synchronize_srcu ?
>
> rcu_seq_snap() ?

The memory barrier in rcu_seq_snap is not at the very beginning of synchronize_srcu.

For example we have:

unsigned long get_state_synchronize_srcu(struct srcu_struct *ssp)
{
        // Any prior manipulation of SRCU-protected data must happen
        // before the load from ->srcu_gp_seq.
        smp_mb();
        return rcu_seq_snap(&ssp->srcu_gp_seq);

which happens to have an explicit barrier before issuing rcu_seq_snap().

So my question still stands: where is the memory barrier at the beginning of synchronize_srcu ?

The memory ordering constraint I am concerned about here is:

 * [...] In addition,
 * each CPU having an SRCU read-side critical section that extends beyond
 * the return from synchronize_srcu() is guaranteed to have executed a
 * full memory barrier after the beginning of synchronize_srcu() and before
 * the beginning of that SRCU read-side critical section. [...]

So if we have a SRCU read-side critical section that begins after the beginning
of synchronize_srcu, but before its first memory barrier, it would miss the
guarantee that the full memory barrier is issued before the beginning of that
SRCU read-side critical section. IOW, that memory barrier needs to be at the
very beginning of the grace period.

I suspect that the memory barrier in srcu_read_lock() invoked by srcu_gp_start_if_needed
may happen to be early enough, but I'm not sure, and it does not appear to be documented
as such.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mathieu
> >
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