Re: [PATCH v5 1/9] mm/demotion: Add support for explicit memory tiers

[Aneesh Kumar K V]

On 6/8/22 11:46 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 09:43:52PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K V wrote:
> > On 6/8/22 9:25 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 10:11:31AM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2022 at 07:12:29PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
> > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
> > > > > +/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0 */
> > > > > +#ifndef _LINUX_MEMORY_TIERS_H
> > > > > +#define _LINUX_MEMORY_TIERS_H
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_TIERED_MEMORY
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#define MEMORY_TIER_HBM_GPU	0
> > > > > +#define MEMORY_TIER_DRAM	1
> > > > > +#define MEMORY_TIER_PMEM	2
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#define MEMORY_RANK_HBM_GPU	300
> > > > > +#define MEMORY_RANK_DRAM	200
> > > > > +#define MEMORY_RANK_PMEM	100
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#define DEFAULT_MEMORY_TIER	MEMORY_TIER_DRAM
> > > > > +#define MAX_MEMORY_TIERS  3
> > > >
> > > > I understand the names are somewhat arbitrary, and the tier ID space
> > > > can be expanded down the line by bumping MAX_MEMORY_TIERS.
> > > >
> > > > But starting out with a packed ID space can get quite awkward for
> > > > users when new tiers - especially intermediate tiers - show up in
> > > > existing configurations. I mentioned in the other email that DRAM !=
> > > > DRAM, so new tiers seem inevitable already.
> > > >
> > > > It could make sense to start with a bigger address space and spread
> > > > out the list of kernel default tiers a bit within it:
> > > >
> > > > MEMORY_TIER_GPU		0
> > > > MEMORY_TIER_DRAM	10
> > > > MEMORY_TIER_PMEM	20
> > >
> > > Forgive me if I'm asking a question that has been answered. I went
> > > back to earlier threads and couldn't work it out - maybe there were
> > > some off-list discussions? Anyway...
> > >
> > > Why is there a distinction between tier ID and rank? I undestand that
> > > rank was added because tier IDs were too few. But if rank determines
> > > ordering, what is the use of a separate tier ID? IOW, why not make the
> > > tier ID space wider and have the kernel pick a few spread out defaults
> > > based on known hardware, with plenty of headroom to be future proof.
> > >
> > >     $ ls tiers
> > >     100				# DEFAULT_TIER
> > >     $ cat tiers/100/nodelist
> > >     0-1				# conventional numa nodes
> > >
> > >     <pmem is onlined>
> > >
> > >     $ grep . tiers/*/nodelist
> > >     tiers/100/nodelist:0-1	# conventional numa
> > >     tiers/200/nodelist:2		# pmem
> > >
> > >     $ grep . nodes/*/tier
> > >     nodes/0/tier:100
> > >     nodes/1/tier:100
> > >     nodes/2/tier:200
> > >
> > >     <unknown device is online as node 3, defaults to 100>
> > >
> > >     $ grep . tiers/*/nodelist
> > >     tiers/100/nodelist:0-1,3
> > >     tiers/200/nodelist:2
> > >
> > >     $ echo 300 >nodes/3/tier
> > >     $ grep . tiers/*/nodelist
> > >     tiers/100/nodelist:0-1
> > >     tiers/200/nodelist:2
> > >     tiers/300/nodelist:3
> > >
> > >     $ echo 200 >nodes/3/tier
> > >     $ grep . tiers/*/nodelist
> > >     tiers/100/nodelist:0-1	
> > >     tiers/200/nodelist:2-3
> > >
> > > etc.
> >
> > tier ID is also used as device id memtier.dev.id. It was discussed that we
> > would need the ability to change the rank value of a memory tier. If we make
> > rank value same as tier ID or tier device id, we will not be able to support
> > that.
>
> Is the idea that you could change the rank of a collection of nodes in
> one go? Rather than moving the nodes one by one into a new tier?
>
> [ Sorry, I wasn't able to find this discussion. AFAICS the first
>    patches in RFC4 already had the struct device { .id = tier }
>    logic. Could you point me to it? In general it would be really
>    helpful to maintain summarized rationales for such decisions in the
>    coverletter to make sure things don't get lost over many, many
>    threads, conferences, and video calls. ]

Most of the discussion happened not int he patch review email threads.

RFC: Memory Tiering Kernel Interfaces (v2)
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAAPL-u_diGYEb7+WsgqNBLRix-nRCk2SsDj6p9r8j5JZwOABZQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

RFC: Memory Tiering Kernel Interfaces (v4)
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAAPL-u9Wv+nH1VOZTj=9p9S70Y3Qz3+63EkqncRDdHfubsrjfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-aneesh