Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems

From: Valdis . Kletnieks
Date: Fri Aug 17 2007 - 11:40:46 EST


On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:19:21 EDT, Phillip Susi said:
> Kyle Moffett wrote:
>> Problem 1: "updating cached acls of descendent objects": How do you
>> find out what a 'descendent object' is? Answer: You can't without
>> recursing through the entire in-memory dentry tree.

I suspect Kyle is not quite correct - it's probably the case that you don't
have to consider just the in-memory dentries, but *all* the descendent objects
in the entire file system.

If you have a clever proof that on-disk can't *possibly* be affected, feel
free to present it.

(Does anybody know offhand what means 'chacl -r' uses to avoid race conditions
with directories being moved in/out from under it, or does it just say "we'll
make a best stab at it"?)

> Yes, it would take some cpu time, and yes, it would have to use a lock
> to protect the acl which would also lock out moves. Is that such a high
> cost? Changing acls and moving whole directory trees around is not THAT
> common of an operation... if it takes a wee bit more cpu time, I doubt
> anyone will complain.

It will become even *more* of a "not that common" if the lock will block moves
and ACL changes *across the filesystem* for potentially *minutes* at a time.

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