Re: [patch 00/13] Syslets, "Threadlets", generic AIO support, v3
From: Davide Libenzi
Date: Fri Feb 23 2007 - 15:44:35 EST
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> I was not clear - I meant why do we need to do that when we can run the
> same code in userspace? And better if we can have non-blocking dataflows
> and number of threads equal to number of processors...
I've a userspace library that does exactly that (GUASI - GPL code avail if
you want, but no man page written yet). It uses a pool of threads and
queue requests. I've a bench that crawl through a directory a read files.
The sync against async performance sucks. You can't do the cachehit
optimization in userspace. With network stuff could prolly do better
(since network is more heavily towards async), but still.
> I started a week of writing without russian-english dictionary, so
> expect some troubles in communications with me :)
> I said that about kernel design - when we have thousand(s) of threads,
> which do the work - if number of context switches is small (i.e. when
> operations mostly do not block), then it is ok (although 'ps' output
> with threads can scary a grandma).
> It is also ok to say - 'hey, Linux has so easy AIO model, so that
> everyone should switch and start using it and do not care about problems
> associated with multi-threaded programming with high concurrency',
> but, in my opinion, both that cases can not cover all (and most of)
> the usage cases.
> To eat my hat (or force others to do the same) I'm preparing a tree for
> threadlet test - I plan to write a trivial web server
> (accept/recv/send/sendfile in one threadlet function) and give it a try
Funny, I lazily started doing the same thing last weekend (than I had to
stop, since real job kicked in ;). I wanted to compare a fully MT trivial
with one that is event-driven (epoll) and coroutine based. This one will
only be compared for memory-content delivery, since it has no async vfs
capabilities. They both support the special "/mem-XXXX" url, that allows
an HTTP loader to request a given content size.
I also have a epoll+coroutine HTTP loader (that works around httperf
Then, I wanted to compare the above, with one that is epoll+GUASI+coroutine
based (basically a userpace-only thingy).
I've the code for all the above.
Finally, with one that is epoll+syslet+coroutine based (no code for this
yet - but it should be a easy port from the GUASI one).
Keep in mind though, that a threadlet solution doing accept/recv/send/sendfile
is becoming blazingly similar to a full MT solution.
I can only immagine the thunders and flames that Larry would throw at us
for using all those threads :D
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