Re: Using kernel headers that are not for the running kernel

From: Rob Landley
Date: Sun Jun 20 2004 - 03:43:54 EST


On Thursday 17 June 2004 18:28, Nick Bartos wrote:
> I have a little distro that I am trying to upgrade to 2.6.x.
>
> The problem is that when I use the headers for 2.6.x, glibc 2.2.5 won't
> compile. Eventually I want to upgrade glibc/gcc, but not at the moment.
> If I use the headers from 2.4.26 for the system, but just compile the
> 2.6.7 kernel, things do compile fine for everything.

The linux-kernel maintainers apparently decided that C libraries using kernel
headers to actually interface with the kernel was a bad idea. Apparently,
interfacing with the kernel from a C library is not a proper use for kernel
headers, or something. (I tried to follow the logic in this discussion, but
never actually found any, despite repeated attempts. It always seemed to
boil down to "can't be bothered", "userspace shouldn't use kernel headers and
this includes the C library", etc...)

On a pragmatic level, you want the cleaned up 2.6 kernel headers maintained by
Mariusz Mazur <mmazur@xxxxxxxxx> which you can download from:

http://ep09.pld-linux.org/~mmazur/linux-libc-headers/

> I see that a lot of distros use a separate package for the kernel headers,
> which do not necessarily coincide with the running kernel.

Yup. It sucks, but there's no alternative for 2.6.

Mazur does a good job, though.

> I am wondering what (if any) are the side effects of doing this are,
> especially when the kernel versions are so different.

You're generally safe using older header versions. (Heck, you can use 2.4
headers to build your C library if you like. The resulting C library just
won't be able to use various new features like more than 256 minor numbers
for devices, or possibly the ability to burn with ATA CD-ROM drives without
SCSI emulation...)

> I was thinking that
> there may be issues with some progs if the prototypes for certain kernel
> functions weren't the same. However people are doing it and it does seem
> to work, but I am wondering how it fends for stability.

If using old headers didn't work on new kernels then using old binaries
wouldn't work on new kernels. And that would be noticed big time. (We can
still run binaries that ran on Linux 0.01. A couple minor things have been
ripped out over the years, but not much. The big backwards compatability
issue is generally making sure you have the relevant old versions of the C
library installed if you really want to run WordPerfect 6 or Netscape or
such....)

Rob
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