Re: [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional?

From: Nick Piggin
Date: Fri Aug 15 2003 - 03:17:47 EST




Måns Rullgård wrote:

Andries Brouwer <aebr@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:


entropy(x) >= entropy(x xor y)
entropy(y) >= entropy(x xor y)

Is this trolling? Are you serious?

These lemma are absolutely true.

David, did you read this line:


Try to put z = x xor y and apply your insight to the strings x and z.

Let us do it. Let z be an abbreviation for x xor y.

The lemma that you believe in, applied to x and z, says

entropy(x) >= entropy(x xor z)
entropy(z) >= entropy(x xor z)

But x xor z equals y, so you believe for arbitrary strings x and y that

entropy(x) >= entropy(y)
entropy(x xor y) >= entropy(y).

This "lemma", formulated in this generality, is just plain nonsense.


Not quite non-sense, but it would mean that for any strings x and y,

entropy(x) == entropy(y),

which seems incorrect.


Well, just the line entropy(x) >= entropy(y) is incorrect. ie. proof
by contradiction.


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