Re: The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (NUMA))

From: Andrew Morton (
Date: Tue Oct 08 2002 - 14:39:01 EST

Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 07:59:26PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > In the testing which I did, based on Keith Smith's traces, the
> > current code really isn't very effective.
> >
> > What I did was to run his aging workload an increasing number of
> > times. Then measured the fragmentation of the files which it
> > left behind. I measured the fragmentation simply by timing
> > how long it took to read all the files, and compared that to
> > how long it took to read the same files when they had been laid
> > down on a fresh fs.
> What access pattern did you use when you read the files? Did you
> sweep through filesystem directory by directory, or did you use some
> other pattern (perhaps random)?

Well this is all rather dim in my memory, so the confidence level
is drooping. I am sure that the timing was a single find | xargs cat
thing. I also know that I investigated whether the increased time
was due to the metadata access or the data access. I _think_ it was
mainly metadata.

But it all needs to be redone, really.

> ...
> > Maybe a mount option? But I think the current algorithm should
> > default to "off".
> How about a mount option with the possible values: "fast", "slow",
> "hinted", and "auto", with the default being "auto" or "hinted"?
> (Where hinted utilizes user-space hints, and "auto" utilizes
> user-space hints if present, plus some of the so-called ugly
> hueristics which you had discussed?)

Well the current Orlov patch will spread top-level directories,
so as long as /home is a mountpoint, we're fine.

For more generalality, yes, I think a new chattr flag on the
parent directory which says "spread my subdirectories out"
would be a good solution.
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