I've heard several people (including Alan) talk about banging on the
scheduler to make 8-way systems happy, and the first scheduler surgery patch
has apparently been accepted to 2.5 now. Lots of people are talking about a
scheduler patch with a per-processor task queue, so I'd like to ask a
What would be involved in a non-symmetrical multi-processor Linux? Have the
per-processor task queues, but have them be different types of processes
using different machine languages?
The reason I ask is TI has a new chip with a DSP built into it, and DSPs are
eventually bound to replace all the dedicated I/O chips we've got today. A
DSP is just a dedicated I/O processor, they can act like modems, sound and
video, 3D accelerators, USB interface, serial/paralell/joystick, ethernet,
802.11b wireless and bluetooth... Just hook it up to the right output
adapter and feed the DSP the right program and boom, it works.
In theory, you could stick a $5 after-market adapter on the output of your
DSP video to convert from a VGA plug to a TV plug, and reprogram the DSP to
produce a different output signal with a driver upgrade. In software. Ooh.
DSP is just a processor designed to do I/O. It runs a program telling it how
to convert input into output. Ooh. This is half of unix programming, and
why we have the pipe command, only now you can unload each pipe stage on a
dedicated coprocessor, so you can program your sound output chip to do speech
synthesis or decompress MP3's. And latency becomes way less of a problem if
you can dedicate a processor to it. (Think of a DMA channel that can run a
filter program on the data it's transporting, and boom: you've got a DSP.)
In theory, anything you can write as a filter that sits on a pipe could be
done by a DSP, and in the Unix philosophy that's just about everything.
Now combine together every strange niche I/O chip you've got now and make ONE
of the suckers, in massive volume, and think "economies of scale". These
suckers are going to be CHEAP. And low power. The portable market seems to
be drooling over them, and they're already coming embedded into next
generation processors. (A math coprocessor, a built-in DSP... I heard
there's an ARM generation in development that's got 4 DSPs built-in...) A
machine with a lot of DSPs was half of Steve Jobs' "NeXT" box idea...
So, back to the Linux scheduler. Right now our approach to these things is
(if I understand correctly) to feed 'em their program like firmware. Load
the driver, DSP gets its program, and it's dedicated to that task. Okay,
fun. And considering lots of them are hooked up to specific I/O devices at
the other end (an 802.11b antenna, an ethernet jack, etc) that makes sense.
But there's already a company out there (www.dsplinux.net, proprietary dudes)
that SEEMS to be treating a DSP like a seperate processor, capable of
scheduling tasks to the DSP (think dynamic DMA channel allocation, I'm not
sure how the electronics work out here: it would make sense to be able to
allocate and deallocate them like any other resource, but this is giving
hardware makers far too much credit). Considering the range of applications
you can have for sound cards alone (be a modem, text to speech, midi, mp3
decompression, mp3 compression during recording, ogg vorbis, etc), wouldn't
it be nice to be able to program DSPs a little more dynamically than "device
driver shows it how to be a sound card"?
Right now, the scheduler has sort of been hacked by some people to have the
concept of "realtime tasks" and "not realtime tasks". But if you think that
in five or ten years we may see machines built ENTIRELY out of DSPs (sort of
like RISC, only more so). The hyper-multi-threading whatsis thing they're
doing with the P4 is sort of like this: they have execution cores linked for
performance and now they're de-linking them because the programmer's better
at finding paralellism than the hardware is.
Think about the 3D accelerator problem. Break your screen up into 16
sections, one DSP sorts the triangles into each quadrant, 16 other DSPs blast
triangles to frame buffer, and then one more DSP is constantly doing a DMA
write to the video output to drive your LCD panel at 70hz. 3D acceleration
becomes a question of having enough DSPs, fast enough, and feeding them the
right software. 80 million triangles per second is the human visual
perception threshold, beyond that nvidia's binary-only drivers can go hang...
Am I totally on the wrong track here? When do we start worrying about this?
P.S. The appeal of USB largely seems to be "generic DSP spewing data out to
some device with another DSP in it, using a known protocol to communicate and
standard commodity wiring so everything has the same type of plug so you
don't need adapters. And the device on the far end may have a little buffer
if you're lucky". USB is something we queue requests up for right now, but
this strikes me as something the paradigm of being able to schedule tasks to
the DSP might fit? Maybe not as time slices, but perhaps as something like
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