Andries Brouwer wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:47:06PM +0100, Rogier Wolff wrote:
> > Andries Brouwer wrote:
> > > > access("/dev/tty2", R_OK|W_OK) = -1 EROFS (Read-only file system)
> >
> > > You misunderstand the function of access(). The standard says
> > >
> > > [EROFS] write access shall fail if write access is requested
> > > for a file on a read-only file system
> >
> > The intent of the "access" call is to tell you if you will be able to
> > open the given pathname for the requested permissions. That this is
> > inherently racey is not the fault of the access system call.
> >
> > The INTENT of this paragraph from the standard is to specify when to
> > return the error value EROFS. The "for a -=file=-" part to me
> > indicates that a valid interpretation is that this does not apply to
> > device nodes.
>
> You optimist!
> A standard is not a text that should be read with the attitude
> "they write this but I know that they really meant that".
> A standard is precise.
>
> In particular it defines the concepts used. For file it says:
>
> File
> An object that can be written to, or read from, or both.
> A file has certain attributes, including access permissions and type.
> File types include regular file, character special file, block special
> file, FIFO special file, symbolic link, socket, and directory.
> Other types of files may be supported by the implementation.
Ok, so if you read the standard carefully you get a bogus result.
Question: Was it meant this way, or did someone just make a mistake
(which happened to slip through and get approved into the standard)?
I happen to think the second.
- Is it desirable to have a write-open of a device on a read-only
fail? I don't think so. You can't open the initial console etc etc.
- Is it desirable to have access (W_OK) and "open-for-write" return
different results? I don't think so.
- Are there other systems that adhere to the standard as written?
Roger.
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