Re: Proposal "LUID"

From: Austin Schutz (tex@gblx.net)
Date: Sun Apr 16 2000 - 02:29:00 EST


On Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 12:00:11AM -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
> Jan Harkes wrote:
> > The problem I see with LUIDs, which PAGs avoid is that with a user-id is
> > is impossible to distinguish applications that were started by a user
> > logging in at different times, or in multiple simultaneous sessions.
> > i.e. a valid user who logging in from the console compared to a user who
> > just managed to start a compromised shell by hacking some daemon.
> ---
> Accounting could be configured to record 'exec's, ppid and pid so
> a chain of actions taken by a given login session could be traced.
>
> I'm not sure I see a benefit in this adding a new counter. Seems like
> this would just invite someone to loop on calling newpag. Wouldn't that
> generate alot of "paperwork" (ok, computer running through loops after loops
> in a log to reconstruct a user path). Yes they could do the same think with
> a 'fork' loop, but that's already a problem. I just don't think the PAG
> solution solves anything.

        I think the whole concept is lacking. If I have EUID 0 I can do

# echo "+ +" >/root/.rhosts

        ..And now anyone can log in as root with LUID 0. So.. what was gained?

        Austin

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